Wednesday, March 27, 2019

Debunking misconceptions about Ramayana.

1 - Hanumana could not be wounded
First wound:
"Then, your left cheekbone, zygomatic arch, is broken when you fell down on a highest mountaintop, from thereupon your name-phrase is indeed averred as Hanumaan... [4-66-24] "Then on observing that you are mutilated, highly infuriated is that scent-wafter Air-god and that tempestuous Air-god has not physically circulated throughout the triad of worlds... [4-66-25]
Second wound:
“Indrajit the wielder of a great bow smacked the chest-region of Jambavan with an arrow and released ten arrows towards Hanuman, the swift monkey. Indrajit, that strong and highly courageous demons, pierced those jewels among the monkeys there with his arrows which resembled flames of fire and began to shout in triumph. Tormenting them with a multitude of arrows and frightening the monkeys, the mighty armed Indrajit heartily laughed and spoke (as follows).”
Third wound:
"Hanuma, thus struck with Ravana's palm, reeled repeatedly. Under the shock, Hanuma reeled once again. Seeing that mighty Hanuma exhausted, Ravana turned his chariot towards Nila."
Fourth wound:
"Hearing the words of Rama, Ravana of great strength, full of rage and recollecting his former hostility struck with flaming arrows resembling the tongues of the Fire of Dissolution, on Hanuman the son of Wind-God, who with extreme velocity, was bearing Rama in the battle-field. Thereupon, seeing Hanuman the Tiger among the monkeys getting wounded by Ravana, Rama was transported with anger."
Fifth wound:
"Thereupon, lifting up a sword, Trishira the foremost of demons them dug it into Hanuma's breast. Hurt by the thrust of the sword, the valiant Hanuma the son of wind-god, struck Trishira on his breast, with his palm."
Sixth wound:
"That Hanuma, struck in his broad chest by the spike in that great combat, was highly perturbed and while vomiting blood from his mouth, awfully roared like the sound of thunderous clouds at the time of dissolution of the world."
Seventh wound:
Indrajit the excellent demon struck all those foremost of monkeys, namely Hanuman, Sugreeva, Angada, Gandhamadana, Jambavan, Sushena, Vegadarshina, Mainda, Dvivida, Nila, Gavaksha, Gavaya, Kesari, Hariloma, Vidyuddamshtra, Suryanana, Jyothimukha, a monkey called Dadhimukha, Pavakaksha, Nala as also a monkey named Kumuda. Tearing asunder the principal monkey-warriors by maces and arrows, which were of golden colour, that Indrajit rained a multitude of showers of arrows equal to sun's rays on Rama and Lakshmana. "O Lakshmana! This Indrajit, by a great missile, is throwing down our army of monkeys and tormenting us incessantly with his sharp arrows." "Let this chief of demons, who is surpassing all, be covered with a multitude of showers of arrows. This entire army of Sugreeva, whose leading warriors have fallen, looks no more charming." Thus causing the army of monkeys along with Rama and Lakshmana to become despondent in battle, that Indrajit, getting eulogized by the demons, quickly reached the city of Lanka
Eighth wound:
"Oozing the blood from his wound caused by those arrows descended into his head (by Aksha), looking like the newly risen sun, his eyes bathed in blood rolling rapidly, Hanuma shone brightly like the sun surrounded by a circle of rays, having the arrows as its rays"
"Then, the mighty armed Hanuma, who knew how to act under particular circumstances, roaring when pierced in the breast with shafts by the high souled heroic, Aksha"
Tenth wound (the ropes caused a wound on hanutati beta of kutta vayu):
"Hanuma, liberated from the missile being dragged away by the demons and afflicted by the ties of ropes, could not realize that he was liberated from the missile."
Eleventh Wound:
"Though tortured by the demons that Hanuma, of terrific prowess,"
Hanuman was dumb enough to believe that Seetha died:
"That Seetha for whose sake we have fought so far, with a wish to do what is pleasing to Rama, making a special effort to win, risking our lives has been killed."
2 - Vibhishana, Kubera, Kumbhakarna were Ravana's only brothers
Debunk: In Yuddha Kanda several other brothers of Ravan are described.
Yuddhonmatta & Matta:
"seeing his paternal uncles as also Yuddhonmatta and Matta (Mahodara and Mahaparshva) his brothers and the foremost of demons having been fallen down, Atikaya of great splendour"
"Seeing Narantaka dying, Devantaka, Trishira and Mahodara the son of Pulastya the foremost of demons, wept."
"Seeing Mahodara his young paternal uncle killed. Trishira was enraged seized hold of his bow and struck Hanuma with sharp arrows."
Mattanika:
67. tasmin = (When) that Mahaparshva; ravaNasya bhaatari = the brother of Ravana;
Then, a strong monkey called Rishabha came jumping and stood in front of that Mattanika (Mahaparshva), the younger brother of Ravana.
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga70/yuddha_70_frame.htm
Khara/Dushana:
"two more bothers of mine are Khara and Duushana who are renowned for their bravery in war." [3-17-22b, 23]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga17/aranya_17_frame.htm
Rama says Trishira was a brother of Khara (ravan's other brother):
"Here is the region, (known as Panchavati, so called because it consists of five banyan trees) where Khara the demon was killed by me with straight-going arrows, as also his brothers, Dushana and the mighty Trishiras."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga123/yuddha_123_frame.htm
So children of Vishrava:
  1. Kubera
  2. Ravana
  3. Trishira
  4. Khara
  5. Dushana
  6. Kumbhakarna
  7. Mahodara
  8. Mattanika
  9. Vibheesan
  10. Surpanakha (only daughter)
  11. Yuddhomata
  12. Matta
He had ten brothers.
3 - Ravana had a older sister named Kumbhinasi
Debunk: Kumbhinasa was not Ravan’s sister (Sanskrit only mentions her name not the word “sister” it differs from the English translation): http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga7/yuddha_7_frame.htm English translation says sister, Sanskrit text says Kumbhinasa not sister. Sanskrit > English.
4 - Rama had only one wife
Debunk: He had many wives.
1st quote:
"Rama's wives will get delighted. Your daughters-in-law will be unhappy because of Bharata's waning position."
2nd quote:
"Having fulfilled your father's command as per the order of his words and observed your vow, you return from the forest fearlessly and having accomplished your purpose, I think you will enjoy carnally with large-eyed women."
3rd quote (Rama admitted that he found "wives" more than one wife):
"Wives may be obtained ever where. Relatives can be had every where. However, I do not find a brother, born of the same womb, at such a place whatesoever."
https://valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga101/yuddha_101_frame.htm
4th quote (Surpanakha was a Rakshasi wife of Rama):
taam pramadaam adhikR^itya = that, lady, owing to; taabhyaam ubhaabhyaam = by them, the two; sambhuuya = together; aham = I am; a naathaa satii yathaa = without, protector/husband, [insecure] female, as with; tathaa = likewise; imaam avasthaam niitaa = this sort of, situation, led into.
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga19/aranya_19_frame.htm She would've had her husband if it weren't for Seetha.
"Oh, goggle eyed one, befitting to your complexion that is unblemished, you better become the wife of my brother Rama who is abounding in means, and on becoming the younger wife of that adorable one, you too will achieve your means and thus you will be happy. [3-18-10]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga18/aranya_18_frame.htm
Another source: https://www.quora.com/Did-Lord-rama-had-any-other-woman-in-his-life-besides-Sita/answer/Ravana-Rakshendra
5 - The chakra Ravana tanked was not Vishnu's but other Devas
Debunk: Hahahah, only footnotes say that. And foot notes are not a part of the epic.
Read both chapters:
His body bears hundreds of welts caused when assaulted with Vishnu-disc for hundreds of times in wars with gods, and when assaulted for hundreds of times with the other assaults-missiles in other gruesome wars as well, and Shuurpanakha saw at such a Ravana. [3-32-10]
“Those arms had wounds made by stabbing from the pointed edges of tusks of Iraavata and fleshy shoulders smeared with diamond and hit by Vishnu chakra.”
6 - Ravana had only three wives
Debunk: Stop using wikipedia & fake sources.
Here is the evidence that Ravana had over a thousand wives:
"Here, surrounded by more than a thousand fellow-wives, Ravana's wife named Mandodari lamented for Ravana."
7 - Tara was (Vali's wife) was Sugreeva's wife (sanskrit says she was his cheif aka "pramukh" wife):
"O king! I wish to reach the capital City of Ayodhya along with you, accompanied by the wives of other monkey-chiefs with Tara and other beloved wives of Sugreeva."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga123/yuddha_123_frame.htm
Mahabharata claims Vali & Sugriva were both attracted to the same woman so they fought eachother for her:
"And that fight, so destructive of the trees, looked like the encounter in days of yore between the brothers Vali and Sugriva for the possession of the same woman."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03011.htm
8 - Angada was superior to Meghanada (lol)
Debunk: When Angad had crores of Vanaras to support him he was defeated by Meghnad.
1st defeat:
"Indrajit the excellent demon struck all those foremost of monkeys, namely Hanuman, Sugreeva, Angada, Gandhamadana, Jambavan, Sushena, Vegadarshina, Mainda, Dvivida, Nila, Gavaksha, Gavaya, Kesari, Hariloma, Vidyuddamshtra, Suryanana, Jyothimukha, a monkey called Dadhimukha, Pavakaksha, Nala as also a monkey named Kumuda. Tearing asunder the principal monkey-warriors by maces and arrows, which were of golden colour, that Indrajit rained a multitude of showers of arrows"
"Vibhishana and Hanuma saw Sugreeva, Angada, Nila, Sharabha, Gandhamadana, Gavaksha, Sushena, Vegadarshi, Mainda, Nala, Jyotimukha and a monkey called Dvivida, who were struck down on the battle-field."
9 - Rudra & Shiva are the same (lol)
Debunk: Yet they are mentioned seperately here.
"He saw the abode of Brahma the lord of creation, Kailasa the abode of Shiva the lord of dissolution, the abode of Indra the lord of celestials, the arrow-discharging place of Rudra, the worshipping place of Hayagriva, the horse-faced form of Vishnu, the shining place at which Brahma's head fell down, the sun-god and Kimkaras."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga74/yuddha_74_frame.htm
10 - Ravan didn't touch Seetha.
Debunk:
On saying that sentence to Maithili, who by herself is a nice talker and who is a proper one for addressing with nice words, that verily evil-minded demon Ravana maddened by lust drew nigh of Seetha and grabbed her, as Budha, the Jupiter grabs the Star Rohini in firmament. [3-49-15b, 16] He that Ravana grabbed the lotus-eyed Seetha on lifting her up with his left hand at her plait of hair at nape, and with his right hand at her thighs. [3-49-17]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga49/aranya_49_frame.htm
"My heart, which was subservient to me, was abiding in you. What could I do, helpless as I was, with regard to my limbs which had fallen under the sway of another?" [Seetha to Rama]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga116/yuddha_116_frame.htm
Sugreeva exposed the incident:
"by inference I know her... undoubtedly I have seen Maithilee while that demon with cruel deeds was abducting her... then she was crying piteously calling "Rama, Rama..." and also calling "Lakshmana" and she was writhing in the flanks of Ravana like the wife of serpent's lord..."[4-6-8b, 9, 10]
https://valmikiramayan.net/utf8/kish/sarga6/kishkindha_6_frame.htm
11 - Surpanakha was ugly.
Debunk:
"I too wish to know about you. Whose wife are you? What is your name? Or, whose daughter are you? By the way, you are with most enthralling limbs, and then you must be a rakshasii." [3-17-18]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga17/aranya_17_frame.htm
"You woo him, oh, board-eyed [bulged-eyed] one, this brother of mine as your husband like sunshine seeking the Mt. Meru, then oh, great-waisted [pot-bellied] one, you will be without a co-wife " So said Rama to that demoness. [3-18-5]
"Oh, goggle eyed one, befitting to your complexion that is unblemished, you better become the wife of my brother Rama who is abounding in means, and on becoming the younger wife of that adorable one, you too will achieve your means and thus you will be happy. [3-18-10]
"Oh, best complexioned one with best waist, is there any wiseacre to simply discard your kind of best personality, indeed, in preference to human females?" Lakshmana said so to Shuurpanakha. [3-18-12]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga18/aranya_18_frame.htm
[Clearly Rama was attracted to her].
12 - Seetha fasted during her stay at Lanka.
Debunk: The description of her body prior to her meeting with Hanumana:
"The beautifully haired Seetha's left eye, which was auspicious, whose surrounding row of eye-lashes were curved, which was black, wide and bright-looking; was predominantly quivering, like a red lotus quivered by the blow of a fish. Her left shoulder, which was pretty, distinguished beefy and round, which deserved to be applied with excellent black aloe and sandalwood paste, which had been used for long as a pillow by her most excellent beloved Rama, quickly quivered. Of her two thighs kept together, the left tigh which was beefy and well born, which resembled the trunk of a princely elephant was predominantly quivering, spoke indistinctly of existence of Rama in front. Again, the clothing of Seetha standing there, of spotless eyes and charming limbs, having teeth resembling the buds of jasmine, which was of golden shade and was slightly soiled as it were with dust, glited down, which appeared auspicious (for her). Bolstered by these and some other omens which straight explained that they were fruitful on the earlier occasion also, Seetha of beautiful eyebrows disclosed a great joy, even as a seed vanished and withered by the wind and the sun, got sprouted by rain. Moreover, having the lips resembling Bimba fruit, having beautiful eyes and eyebrows, whose eye lids are curved, having charming white teeth, her face shone like the moon liberated from the mouth of the demon Rahu. Free from sorrow, her weariness removed, her mental affliction alleviated and her consciousness awakened with exaltation, that esteemed lady (Seetha) looked handsome with her countenance, as a night with the moon appears during the bright fortnight."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/sundara/sarga29/sundara_29_frame.htm
She was clearly well fed and healthy, not weary at all. Notice that her clothes were of golden shade (ravan or someonelse had to have given her that cloth). She was wearing clothes of royalty. Dust is obviously going to accumulate on the clothes, as she was moving around, and there would be dust in the air of lanka during wartimes.
13 - Ravan had ten heads.
Debunk: Logically he only had one head:
"By whom and by which purpose of his you are made to blunder upon this awry path, oh, king, it is as good as his hitting hard on your head while you are fast asleep. [3-31-45]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga31/aranya_31_frame.htm
If he had twenty arms then he would use ten bows but in wars he is described with one bow.
14 - Hanuman was immortal. (xD)
Debunk: Indra gave lord hanutati a boon to make sure hanuman dies not that he's immortal, it's clearly stated that his death will occur.
"Oh, ablest Hanuma, the Thousand-eyed Indra kind-heartedly gave you a choicest boon saying that your death occurs only by your own volition." [4-66-28, 29a]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga66/kishkindha_66_frame.htm
15 - Ravan was killed fairly.
Debunk:
With acts and means and applying thy power of illusion to these waters, slay, O chief of the Bharatas, this Suyodhana, who is the very soul of illusion! With acts and means Indra himself slew the Daityas and the Danavas! Vali himself was bound by that high-souled one (Upendra), with the aid of many acts and means! The great Asura Hiranyaksha, as also that other one, Hiranyakasipu, was slain by the aid of many acts and means. Without doubt, O king, Vritra also was slain by the aid of acts! Similarly was the Rakshasa Ravana of Pulastya's race, with his relatives and followers, slain by Rama!
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09031.htm Krishna claimed Rama used illusion to kill Ravana.
Arrow used to kill ravan was made of maya/illusion:
aakaasha mayam = was made of ether.
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga108/yuddha_108_frame.htm
Ram didn't know how to kill Ravan:
"Why are you still carrying out the battle with Ravana as though you are unaware (of how to dispose of him)?"
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga108/yuddha_108_frame.htm
16 - Lakshman killed a real man like Indrajeet fairly (lol).
Debunk: Namard lakshman wasn't a real man.
Badhwa Lakshman was protected by a celestial armor -
"Understanding Lakshmana to have been protected by an impenetrable armour and showing his swiftness in discharging missiles, Indrajit the son of Ravana, who felt very much angered, pierced Lakshmana in the forehead with three arrows provided with good plumes."
Even indra saved lakshman -
"Placing Indra the lord of celestials as their head, the sages, manes, gods, Gandharvas the celestial musicians, eagles and serpents protected Lakshmana in the battle-field."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga90/yuddha_90_frame.htm
Meghanad destroyed celestial armor -
"Thereafter, the valiant Indrajit of terrific prowess was enraged and wounded Lakshmana with a thousand arrows in battle.The large celestial armour of Lakshmana broke into pieces. The two warriors vied with each other in offence and retaliation in their attack."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga88/yuddha_88_frame.htm
17 - Ram was avatar of Vishnu lol.
Debunk: Rama considered himself a human not god.
"I think of myself to be a human being, by name Rama, the son of Dasaratha.."
https://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga117/yuddha_117_frame.htm
18 - a namard aryan king like Dasarath defeated a real man like Ravan (lol)
Debunk:
Thus when he is said so by that sage Vishvamitra, then the king Dasharatha spoke to the sage, "I myself am not capable of standing against that evil minded Ravana, in truth, where is the question of deputing my young Rama to confront him? [1-20-20]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/baala/sarga20/bala_20_frame.htm
19 - Dasharatha had 3 wives lol.
Debunk: Two quotes of Ramayan would like a word with you.
"Oh, Sumantra! being all my wives, who are here. Surrounded by all of them, I want to see the virtuous Rama. Encircling Kausalya, three hundred fifty women, steadfast in their vow(of devotion to their husband), with their eyes reddened, went there slowly. After arrival of his wives, king Dasaratha spoke to that charioteer as follows, "Oh, Sumantra! Bring my son here."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/ayodhya/sarga34/ayodhya_34_frame.htm
"Uttering the aforesaid words of such quality and appropriate meaning to his mother, Rama thought once again and gazed at his three hundred and fifty step-mothers."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/ayodhya/sarga39/ayodhya_39_frame.htm
He had 350 women as wives.
20 - Ravan abducted Seetha because he wanted to avenge how Surpanakha was insulted or because he was in love with Seetha.
Debunk:
The real reason is due to the advice of Akampan (one of Ravan's warriors) he tells him to avoid a direct confrontation/war and just kidnap Ram's wife so that Ram himself will die in the sadness of losing his own wife.
Akampana's words: "You forcefully abduct his wife when she is in solitude, and indeed Rama will not exist reft of Seetha." Akampana advised Ravana in this way. [3-31-31]
Ravan's response: "Agreed! I wish to go alone early in the morning with a charioteer and I delightfully wish to lead Vaidehi into the elegant city Lanka." Ravana declared that way. [3-31-33]
Source: http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga31/aranya_31_frame.htm
21 - Shree Hanutati was among the eleven rudra's.
Debunk: The truth is that none of the Rudra's were hanuman. Hanuman was merely the son of Vayu who was a servant of Indra.
Their names "Aja. Ekapada, Ahivradhna, the unvanquished Pinakin, Rita, Pitrirupa, the three-eyed Maheswara, Vrishakapi, Sambhu, Havana, and Iswara--these are the celebrated Rudras, eleven in number, who are the lords of all the worlds. Even these eleven high-souled ones have been mentioned as a hundred in the Satarudra (of the Vedas)."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13b115.htm Hanuman is not among them.
22 - Lakshman had a wife name Urmila.
Debunk: Lakshman was actually unmarried.
Rama's voice - "He is without a wife and in need of a wife he is youthful, good-looking and he can become a fitly husband of yours, fit enough to your kind of features. [3-18-4]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga18/aranya_18_frame.htm Clearly Rama knows more about his brother than any of us do.
23 - Ravan was only a bhakt of Shiva not anyone else.
Debunk: False, this is not true. Ravan was also a devotee of Lakshmi not just Shiva.
"Images of elephants in a lotus-pool with filaments of lotus on body, with lotus petals held in their trunks, were devoted to the worship of an image of Goddess Lakshmi. And also an image of Goddess Lakshmi with four graceful hands and holding lotus in Her hand was made to exist in Pushpaka."
https://valmikiramayan.net/utf8/sundara/sarga7/sundara_7_frame.htm
His chariot had a idol of Lakshmi to worship her.
24 - Shiva's portion was Hanuman
Debunk: Hahahah! Hanutati bhakts continue to amuse me with their namardangi and bhadwagiri lies!
Here is the source: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13a017.htm It says Shiva was everything and everyone in Ramayana and Mahabharata, that would mean even Ravan is an avatar of Shiva it is a exaggeration nothing more. Exaggerated statements have no meaning in a debate.
Over here even Agni is called a avatar of Shiva: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13b126.htm
25 - Rama cared about saving Seetha.
Debunk: Wrong he only cared about her passing age how she was growing older.
"There is no anguish for me that my beloved is at a distance, nor that she was taken away. Her age is indeed passing away. Only about this, I am repenting."
Source - http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga5/yuddha_5_frame.htm
He cared more about the death of Jatayu:
"To me, oh, enemy-inflamer, oh, gentle Lakshmana, anguish caused by Seetha's abduction is not that much, when compared with the anguish caused by the perish of this eagle, that too, because of me"
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga68/aranya_68_frame.htm
26 - Lakshman never looked at any place of Seetha's body besides her feet.
Debunk:
Rama tells Lakshman to look at Seetha (Vaidehi):
"Punning in any way with the base and brutish is inapposite, oh, gentle Saumitri, mark note of Vaidehi, somehow surviving." [3-18-19]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga18/aranya_18_frame.htm
Both Seetha & Lakshman are within the range of Rama’s eyesight next to him:
“They have seen the great-mighty Rama seated in the thatched cottage along with Seetha and Lakshmana attending to him.” [3-20-2]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga20/aranya_20_frame.htm
Ram tells Lakshman to take Seetha with him to a safe location:
“Oh, Soumitri, briefly tarry at the close of Seetha as I wish to eliminate these demons who have trailed the path of that demoness to here.”
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga20/aranya_20_frame.htm
Lakshman cheered Seetha up:
"Observing the agonised aspect of Seetha that cheerless Saumitri started to cheer her up by repeatedly informing that her husband Rama will come soon. Even then Seetha has not spoken in the least to the brother of her husband, and maintained a silence of antipathy." [3-45-39]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga45/aranya_45_frame.htm
He held her in his arms:
"But then, holding Seetha in usual reverence that self-respectful Lakshmana briefly came to her fore making a reverential palm-fold that briefly, and then he proceeded to the proximity of Rama, while repeatedly looking back at that lonely lady in the thick of forest." [3-45-40]
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/aranya/sarga45/aranya_45_frame.htm
Clearly Lakshman looked at Seetha when he was holding her and trying to cheer her and took her to another place.
27 - "Vishwamitra was a ultimate warrior"
Debunk:
He was scared of Tataka and never confronted her or Maricha/Subahu.
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/baala/sarga19/bala_19_frame.htm
“Raghava, that malevolent Tataka is always destroying the inhabitations at Malada and Karusha”
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/baala/sarga24/bala_24_frame.htm
Their is a reference in Bala Kanda where Vishwamitra claims that it doesn’t suit him to behave angrily during rituals but that’s an excuse he could easily confront these demons when their are no rituals and when Rama talks about Tataka being a woman then Vishwamitra replies that protectors have to kill women when they violate their codes and harass people, so Vishwamitra could have followed the same policy of not caring about rituals.
28 - "hanuman was stronger than sugreeva, angad and all vanars"
Debunk: Lmaoooo hahahahah! Hanuman was just a joker & a comedian who had no contribution to Ramayan.
His own words prove his prowess was a joke:
"In them, some of the monkeys are superior to me and some are even equal to me. No one in the vicinity of Sugreeva is inferior to me."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/sundara/sarga39/sundara_39_frame.htm
He was the most inferior vanar no one was weaker than hanuman everyone was stronger than him (hanuman).
And if any hanuman fan desires to use quotes where hanuman praised himself then it just shows that hanuman is a liar and his word meant nothing, hes not to be trusted. So this bhuzdil is nothing infront of Sugreev or Angad whether you compare them on accolades or feats Sugreev is superior in every way.
29 - "Hanuman lifted a whole mountain"
Debunk - This is completly false! Hanuman only lifted a peak not a whole mountain:
"Taking that mountain-peak, which looked like a dark rainy cloud, that Hanuman jumped up into the sky. Arriving with a great speed, Hanuma putting down the mountain-peak and resting for a while, spoke the following words to Sushena O the excellent of monkeys! I have brought the entire mountain-peak, as I could not identify those herbs."
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga101/yuddha_101_frame.htm
Conclusion: Always peak is mentioned nothing else not the whole mountain so stop overrating hanuman he was a scrub at warfare.
30 - "rama did not kill sambuk it is a incident from interpolated uttar kand"
Debunk - Hahahah lolol this is mentioned in Mahabharat too, so i advise you to stop lying to defend the izzat of a aadmi from a comic book like Ramayan.
Quote:
"It is heard that a Sudra named Samvuka having been slain and righteousness having been upheld by Rama of true prowess, a (dead) Brahmana child was restored to life."
31 - "valmiki never killed brahmins, he wasn't a theif either"
Debunk - Mahabharat declares these claims as false. And Mahabharat characters know more and better than any scholar, translater/translator or bhakt.
Quote for him being a thief:
"Some amongst them are even thieves (like Valmiki in his early years and Viswamitra during a famine)."
Valmiki accepts that he was accused of killing brahmins:
"Once upon a time, in course of a dialectical disputation, certain ascetics that were possessors of the homa fire denounced me as one guilty of Brahmanicide. As soon as they had denounced me as such, the sin of Brahmanicide, O Bharata, possessed me."
32 - "Meghanad was considered a sinner and adharmi by Valmiki"
Debunk - Actually heres a quote from the sanskrit text that has valmiki addressing meghanada as "Mahatma"
    mahaatmaa = the high spirited; Indrajit = Indrajit; nairR^itayuutha mukhyaH = the chief of army of demons; babhaashha = spoke
he was a better man than gandhi
33 - "Meghanad had help from Ravan and Kumbhkarn when he defeated Indra"
Debunk - Lol.... I highly doubt if you read Ramayan.
"At one time, the competent Devendra, the lord of three worlds, was indeed tossed down on the floor by me. All the flocks of celestials were cast into fear and all of them fled to different quarters." "Airavata (Indra`s elephant), which was making noise discordantly, was hurled down by me on the floor. I forcibly extracted its teeth and frightened the entire flock of celestials."
34 - "vibeeshan was a good uncle"
Debunk - This is false, because Vibeeshan for his entire life only undermined the confidence of his nephews and discouraged them, when his nephew would defend his reputation then Vibeeshan would send death threats to him:
"You surely are fit to be killed. Nay, he too is fit to be killed, who brought you, a reckless boy here today and ushered you foolishly in the proximity of counselors" [vibeeshan to meghanada]
35 - "Vibeeshan loved his wife and offspring"
Debunk: No he didn't, if he did then he would never leave them in lanka at the mercy of Ravan, he literally asked ravan to harm them "I, leaving my sons and my wife, have come to take refuge with Rama."
36 - "no skin color discrimination existed in Ramayan times"
Debunk: if so then why did minister Hanuman support people whose face was bright and not those that are dark? "His face is also bright. Hence, I do not doubt him." {quote from link below}if the face of vibeeshan was not bright then hanuman would have doubted him.
37 - "only rakshasas lived in lanka"
Debunk this is also a false claim, because sundara kanda clearly mentions that devtas were a part of the lankan population "Hanuma saw houses glittered by various riches, well worshipped by Devas and Asuras, devoid of all flaws and obtained by the self-might of rakshasas."
38 - "the wealthiest person was Kuber"
Debunk - actually ravan was the wealthyest:
"Whatever was the fortune of Kubera the King of Yakshas, of Yama and of Varuna, the same fortune or even greater treasure was at this house of Ravana."  http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/sundara/sarga9/sundara_9_frame.htm
39 - "most of the women ravan abducted were kept in lanka without their will"
Debunk - another false theory created to undermine a king that opposed aryans. The truth is most of these women fell in love with Ravan no matter how he treated them: "Women of royal sages, brahmanas and demons and of Gandharvas, of Rakshasas - all those unmarried girls surrendered from lust to Ravana."

Im tired of Ramayan tards and hanutards arguing, crying and barking.
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